Curse

Arduin · May 11, 2008, 02:52 PM // 14:52

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Originally Posted by Chestnut

lol Rank 10 might be around 7,000 keys.. but rank 12 is 200,000 keys.

so good luck anyone.

atleat I think it was 200,000..

It's 20.000, so that person is already over 1/3.

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Nobody who earned their money the legit way would waste that kind of cash on a stupid title/emote.

Envy much? Why is it when people are spending lost of cash other people start calling them dupers/ebayers/younameit ?

Steboy93 · May 11, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chestnut

lol Rank 10 might be around 7,000 keys.. but rank 12 is 200,000 keys.

so good luck anyone.

atleat I think it was 200,000..

I believe it was 20,000 keys for max.

Malice Black · May 11, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

It's 20.000, so that person is already over 1/3.

Envy much? Why is it when people are spending lost of cash other people start calling them dupers/ebayers/younameit ?

Envy? me? LOL

Don't you know

me>everyone else (legit wealth anyway)

Well use to be. Now I don't even have the game installed.

Tyla · May 11, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Frank Dudenstein

Nothing in PvE takes a great deal of skill ... and Anet wanted to make a Emote/Title accessible to PvE. Hence an emote that doesn't require alot of skill. Whats the problem with that?

Even the Hero title is more skillful.
All this does is leave out the people who do not alot of high-end PvP very frequently, or farm alot.

That is a big difference to farming in Sways for a while.

250k, to get the first rank of the title is stupid.
Not only that, but you don't have to use any of your skill whatsoever if you RA, AB, Zaishen, GvG (Resign at first match on first game), or farm.

Not only that, but this title seems like Anet shot themselves in the foot. They don't want gold selling? This title practically needs it in the case of buying gold.

Dronte · May 11, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

It's 20.000, so that person is already over 1/3.

Envy much? Why is it when people are spending lost of cash other people start calling them dupers/ebayers/younameit ?

Actually, Malice is totally right.

† LãwLiþøþ™ † · May 11, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Nobody who earned their money the legit way would waste that kind of cash on a stupid title/emote.

I agree. Im tempted to pull up that name and ask them how they got r10 already.

kobey · May 11, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Envy much? Why is it when people are spending lost of cash other people start calling them dupers/ebayers/younameit ?

When one made money the legit way (time + effort), it is very unlikely that he will spend it all on something which does not have any resale value. There are exceptions though.

zwei2stein · May 11, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by kobey

When one made money the legit way (time + effort), it is very unlikely that he will spend it all on something which does not have any resale value. There are exceptions though.

Game account with max R zaishen has resale value. 15K dollars atm at least.

Still, it is bannable offence to sell account, ofc. Not work risking your legit wealth at all as 15k dollar auction of game account would be kinda hard to keep unnoticed.

Thizzle · May 11, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

I didn't have to read to make this post.

Analysis: money sink.

RomBurns · May 11, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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I didn't have to read to make this post.

Analysis: money sink.

You sir, lose the thread. No money is removed from the economy by the introduction of ZRank.

Thizzle · May 11, 2008, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by RomBurns

You sir, lose the thread. No money is removed from the economy by the introduction of ZRank.

You sir, lose the thread as well. When did I say the economy? I didn't, I meant players individually or those hoping for r12 zaishen.

Malice Black · May 11, 2008, 04:59 PM // 16:59

It's an money sink for rich people. Granted a lot of that money is put back into the game. A lot of the Z-chest drops are utter crap which are either merched or sold unid for 500g each.

zwei2stein · May 11, 2008, 05:06 PM // 17:06

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Originally Posted by Thizzle

Analysis: money sink.

Money sink removes money from game, does not redistribute them.

This only redistributes money and produces huge amount of gold items.

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Anyway, to op:

z-chest droprate gives people also 25% change on sweet title stuff and on booze.

20 000 opens produces :

5 000 cremes and
5 000 firewaters.
5 000 gold items.

you only need 3 334 of each to reach max rank of sweet tooth and drunkyard.

Anyone going for max Zrank would also naturally get two maxxed titles, halway through of those titles on another character and be halfway to maxing wisdom title. Also, he would get enough tomes to get all skillhunter titles (with 100 tome leeway)

You should substract value of this stuff from total cost if you do calculations, because maxing z-rank itself guarantees one 7 points towards koabd.

Ensign · May 11, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Buying keys in bulk, for someone with the assets available, is going to be easier than the OP stated. Most of the players who would be winning a MAT are already rich, as mentioned. 4500 RPs worth of Zaishen Keys is about 4.5 million in gold; it would be impossible to sell them in that form. Stacks of Zaishen Keys will absolutely be available after MATs for stacks of ectos, armbraces, and rare minipets directly. When you take these direct sales in keys into account, getting to r12, if you have the assets, is going to happen sooner rather than later if someone is motivated.

makosi · May 11, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

So in theory it actually increases the gold in the economy.

The whole Zaishen title thing is probably just a ploy to seek and destroy the people who got rich off the back of the duping fiasco that weren't caught earlier. We all know some are out there.

The first person who gets R12 Zaishen will probably get a golden hammer, sword, axe, spear and a golden ban stick.

/endconspiracytheory

Thizzle · May 11, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Money sink removes money from game, does not redistribute them.

This only redistributes money and produces huge amount of gold items.

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Anyway, to op:

z-chest droprate gives people also 25% change on sweet title stuff and on booze.

20 000 opens produces :

5 000 cremes and
5 000 firewaters.
5 000 gold items.

you only need 3 334 of each to reach max rank of sweet tooth and drunkyard.

Anyone going for max Zrank would also naturally get two maxxed titles, halway through of those titles on another character and be halfway to maxing wisdom title. Also, he would get enough tomes to get all skillhunter titles (with 100 tome leeway)

You should substract value of this stuff from total cost if you do calculations, because maxing z-rank itself guarantees one 7 points towards koabd.

Ok, but I guess that changed my thoughts anyway. I guess it depends on what drops if it's a waste or not. If your good at HA or GvG then keys aren't a problem.

HawkofStorms · May 11, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

LOL at the person who said Malice was envious.
That's like saying Bill Gates is envious of somebody buying 100 million dollars worth of lotto tickets.

Yol · May 11, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

When was the zaishen title revealed from going through the dat file? Is it possible that the players displaying the high tier zaishen title now had been saving keys since the title was revealed, and now that the title has been released they have decided to use them? With or without the additional use of purchased/copied/swapped keys.....

I don't really pvp and only got into the monthly tournament predictions thing a couple of months ago, so I don't know how many keys a decent PvP-er would have been able to get since the title was revealed.

FrAnt1c² · May 11, 2008, 06:39 PM // 18:39

If there is a top pvp'er that hasnt used any of his/her reward points since the introduction of the system, that player would have gathered thousands and thousands of reward points easily.

Ensign · May 11, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Game account with max R zaishen has resale value. 15K dollars atm at least.

You would be very lucky to recoup 5% of that value on resale. People don't pay much for fancy titles; buying the Zaishen title is not an investment in any way, shape, or form.